Adobe Premiere and the GTX-1080 Video Card

This past weekend (June 11 and 12, 2016) I had a chance to test out the new GTX-1080 video card from MSI with Adobe Premiere CC 2015.

I have been reading rave reviews from the gamer communities about this video card and how much of a performance increase people were see with this card. So, I decided to test it out with Adobe Premiere CC 2015.

(Later this summer I will be doing new benchmark testing and updating our Adobe Premiere Benchmark article found here: https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Premiere-Benchmark.htm)

The computer I used was a Intel I7-5930K with 16 GB of memory and 3 Western Digital 1 TB Black hard drives.

I ran a couple of quick tests against the GTX-980 and a Titan X video card. I used both a benchmark project and a real world project.  I also did a few tests with a 4K project.

The difference between the benchmark project and a real world project is, the benchmark project is made up of almost all GPU effects/transitions. This is designed to push the GPU for benchmarking purposes and it may not represent a typical timeline for most people.

The real world project, the timeline contains simple cuts and a lot fewer GPU effects/transitions. In this case the CPU is doing most of the work. This might be more of a realistic time line for some people.

Here are the results for rendering the timeline using the Benchmark Project:
GTX-980 took 20 seconds
Titan X took 14 seconds
GTX-1080 took 14 seconds

As you can see above, the GPU is doing most of the work due to timeline being made up of GPU effects/transitions.

Here are the results for rending the timeline using a real world project:
GTX-980 took 127 seconds
Titan X took 127 seconds
GTX-1080 took 127 seconds

With above, since the timeline wasn’t loaded with GPU effects/transitions, the CPU was doing most of the work.

Why are the results the same for all three video card with the real world project? It’s simple, there wasn’t enough GPU effects/transitions on this timeline to get any improvement between the three video cards. The GPU usage never went over 50% with any of these video cards.

Next I ran a text using a 4K project, here are the results:
GTX-980 took 62 seconds
Titan X took 55 seconds
GTX-1080 took 51 seconds

If you are editing with Adobe Premiere and you are already using a high end video card, then you may not need to upgrade to the GTX-1080 as the increase in performance isn’t that much.

Since not all timelines are going to be made up of the same GPU effects/transitions, the results you get are going to vary. For example, if you have a 15 minute timeline and it is all cuts only and you are not using any GPU effects, then the video card will not be used when rendering the timeline.

However, take that same timeline and instead of using all straight cuts, you use a dissolve, the GPU will come into play as the dissolve is a GPU transition.

NOTE: Currently there is bug in the nVidia drivers version 368.25, which is for the GTX-1080 and GTX-1070, where you can’t preview R3D media. All you get is a black video. Hopefully, nVidia will get this fixed soon.

NOTE: Your results will vary depending on your computer and how many GPU effects/transitions you have on your timeline.

Bottom line, I would say the GTX-1080 is 5% faster than the Titan X at a much lower cost than the Titan X. I was hoping for a better performance results like the gamers are seeing, but running it in Adobe Premiere it is just not there for me.

Is it worth installing a SSD into an older laptop?

That’s a good question. With the prices of SSD’s coming down, I decided to upgrade an older HP laptop I have.  The laptop is running a dual core AMD CPU at 2.2 GHz with 4 GB of ram and a 300 GB Hard Drive that has a SATA II interface.  I am also running Windows 10.

Since this is an older laptop, I didn’t expect too much with this upgrade as I figured the older dual core CPU and only have 4 GB of ram were going to keep things running slow.

I have always noticed the boot time to be very slow and it’s slow loading programs.  I seem to always be waiting on the hard drive to read or write the files I am working with.  So, I ran the ATTO Disk Benchmark and found my maximum write speed was around 66 MB/s and the read speed was around 78 MB/s.  Not that great.

So after looking at several SSD’s I purchased the Mushkin Enhanced Chronos 2.5” 240GB SSD.  While this SSD is a SATA III device, it is fully backwards compatible with SATA II and SATA I.

Mushkin Enhanced Chronos SSDThis Mushkin SSD has a maximum sequential Read that is rated at up to 555 MB/s and a maximum sequential write that is rated up to 535 MB/s when using an SATA III connection.

I made a backup of the hard drive using Macrium Reflect and a WinPE boot disk direct from Macrium Reflect.

Once that was completed, I installed the Mushkin SSD, which was very easy.  Next, I booted from the WinPE boot disk and restored all of the partitions on to the SSD.

Once that was done I rebooted the computer. It booted at least 60% faster. Nice.

Next, I opened up several programs and right away I noticed how much faster they loaded.  I was impressed, I didn’t expect it.

Then I ran the ATTO Disk Bench test. Here were my new results:

Maximum Write Speed 241 MB/s
Maximum Read Speed 274 MB/s

That’s over 3 times faster than when I was running with a hard disk.  Now remember, the laptop only has a SATA II interface, so these read and write speed are excellent for a SATA II interface.

I did the upgrade to this laptop back in September of 2015.  I have to say by just adding a SSD to this laptop, it has given it a new life.

Now some of you might be thinking, “Why not just buy a new laptop?” Well, for what I use the laptop for, which is editing web pages, email, surfing the web, editing photos, some light video editing with Sony Vegas Movie Studio and a few other things, just by adding the SSD to it, it is running so much faster, that for what I am doing with it, I just didn’t need a new laptop.

Sure, there are a few times when I am using Sony Vegas Movie Studio, that a more powerful CPU would make rendering faster, but most of the time, Movie Studio runs just fine for what I am doing with it.

The cost of the Mushkin Enchance Chronos 240 GB SSD was $79.00 at the time I purchased it.  This is a lot less than the cost of a new laptop.

If you have an older laptop or desktop and you notice the hard drive light is always on, you might want to try swapping out the hard drive with an SSD.  I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how you can breath some new life into an older computer.

Please Note: SSD prices are always changing, both up and down. Mostly down.

Fixing Firewire problems in Windows 10, Windows 8 and Windows 7

A lot of people are complaining that the Firewire port will not work with Windows 10, especially for capturing video. If you are having this problem the fix is easy. Just follow the instructions in this article:

https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Firewire-1.htm

This article also includes the fixes for Windows 8 and 8.1, along with Windows 7.

How Much Video RAM Should My Video Card Have for Adobe Premiere?

This article is for those of you who are running Adobe Premiere CC, CS6, CS5.5 and CS5, as these versions of Adobe Premiere have the Mercury Playback Engine which makes use of the RAM on the video card differently than earlier versions of Adobe Premiere.

When you are running the Mercury Playback Engine in GPU mode and the Mercury Playback Engine runs out of memory on the video card, the Mercury Playback Engine will switch from GPU mode to Software mode and stay that way for the rest of the rendering process.  Thus, slowing down the rendering process considerably.

The two main things that will cause Premiere’s Mercury Playback Engine to run out of ram on the video card is:

1. The complexity of your time-line, such as the number of tracks, multiple effects being used at the same time and the type GPU effects that you are using.

2. If you are using large pixel size photos or photos with a high dpi on you timeline.

While not everyone will run into this problem, due to their workflow and editing style, some of you may or already have run into the situation where Premiere’s MPE switches into the software mode and slow down the rendering process.

So how much ram should your video card have for Adobe Premiere?

Here is a chart with a basic guideline for the amount of video ram you have on your video card.

SD Footage – 1 GB is fine
HD Footage – 1 GB is min. – while 2 GB is better
2K Footage – 3 GB is min. – while 4 GB is better
4K Footage – 4 GB is min. – while more than 4GB is better
5K Footage – 6 GB or more is better

Remember, this is just a guideline.  Having more ram on the video card than what is listed above is a good thing.

Now I know some of you are probably thinking, “I only have 1 GB of ram on my video card and I never had any problems working with or rendering HD footage with Adobe Premiere.”  Well, neither have I.  But, that is due to the fact that I an not using a very complex timeline.

I have had several people contact me about Adobe Premiere shutting of the GPU mid-render and switching into software mode and the rendering slowing down dramatically.  After talking with them and seeing the complexity of their timeline, it was easy to see why they were running out of video ram on the video card.

Once they upgraded to a video card that offered more ram, their problems went away.

So don’t forget about how much ram the video card has when you are purchasing a new video card for use with Adobe Premiere.

NOTE:  These recommendations are for Adobe Premiere CC, CS6, CS5.5 and CS5 only.  I am not into running games on my computers, so I have no idea how much ram your video card would need for the different games.

For more information on Video Cards for Adobe Premiere CC, CS6, CS5.5 and CS5 we have a more detailed article on Premiere, CUDA and Nvidia Video Cards.

Testing the GTX 750 Ti with Adobe Premiere

I have been testing the GTX 750 Ti video card with Adobe Premiere CC these last few weeks and this is how it compares to the GTX 650 Ti

1. Power Supply – The GTX 750 Ti only needs a 300 watt power supply, where the GTX 650 Ti needs a 400  watt power supply.  So if you have an off the shelf computer such as HP or Dell, and the computer has a smaller power supply, which they usually do, you will be able to use this video card in those systems.  Just make sure they have at least a 300 watt power supply.

2. Performance – The GTX 750 Ti and the GTX 650 Ti (not the boost version) performed almost identical.

Rendering the Premiere Timeline with our test files, the GTX 750 Ti took an average of 7.5 seconds and the GTX 650 Ti  took and average of 8 seconds.  Both tests I had the Premiere using the GPU.

Exporting to MPEG-2, the GTX 750 Ti took an average of 153 seconds and the GTX 650 Ti took an average of 156 seconds.  Again, in these tests I had Premiere set to use the GPU.

As you can see there is not much of a difference between the two card performance wise.  The big thing with the GTX 750 Ti, is it allows users that have a small power supply improve their editing performance without having to upgrade the power supply.

Bottom Line – If you have a GTX 650 Ti, there is really no reason to upgrade the video card to a GTX 750 Ti.  If you are running an older video card, such as a GT 240, GT 440 or a GT 640, and you want better performance, then by all means upgrade to the GTX 750 Ti.

What about the GTX 750?  Well there is only $20 difference between the GTX 750 and the GTX 750 Ti, so I only tested the GTX 750 Ti since it had more CUDA cores and the other specs were similar.  Send the extra $20 and go for the GTX 750 Ti over the GTX 750.

 

Latest Update for Adobe Premiere CS6

Adobe has released up date CS6.0.5 for Adobe Premiere. Please note: Once you install this update you will need to run the cuda.bat file again, as this update over writes the cuda card file.

The cuda.bat file is located on the second page of our article on Video Cards for Adobe Premiere CS5, CS5.5, CS6 and CC.  Here is the link:

https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

Nvidia is releasing new 700 series video cards

Nvidia has released the GTX 760, GTX 770 and GTX 780 video cards. If you are looking at buying a new video card, then skip the GTX 600 series and go straight for the new 700 series.

The 700 series offer more cuda cores, faster clock speed, a wider memory interface width and a higher memory bandwidth. With these better specs, you will get better performance.

We tested the GTX 770 against the GTX 680 and the GTX 770 was faster.

Right now I am testing the GTX 760 video card and it is slightly faster than the GTX 670. Also, I am finding the GTX 760 for only $249.

Again, if you are in the market for a video card, check out the new GTX 700 series.

New Benchmark Results for NVidia Video Cards and Adobe Premiere

I just did an update on my article about Video Cards and Adobe Premiere.  The update is new benchmark results with and without the GPU enabled using the following video cards:
GT-240, GTX-550 Ti, GTX-570, GT-640, GTX 650 Ti, GTX 650 Ti Boost, GTX-660, GTX-670, GTX-680 and a Quadro 4000 video card.

Here is a link to the article:  https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm