UPDATE: Problems with Video Cards and Adobe Premiere CC 2015.3

This mainly applies to those of you who are running on a Windows PC. However I do have some limited information for MAC users at the end of this post.

Adobe updated Premiere CC to version 2015.3 and with this new version, they dropped support for older “legacy” video cards. These cards include:

GTX-200 series and mobile versions
GTX-300 series and mobile versions
GTX-400 series and mobile versions
GTX-500 series and mobile versions
GTX-600 series and mobile versions

Quadro FX series and mobile versions
Quadro CX, 200, 2000, 4000, 5000 and 6000 and mobile versions

Even though some video cards are still on Adobe’s “approved” list of video cards, they are no longer working correctly when having CUDA enabled in the Mercury Playback Engine with Premiere CC 2015.3.  So disregard what Adobe has listed on their website as to what video cards will work with Premiere as it is out of date with the Premiere 2015.3 release.

Initially, Adobe was telling users to roll the video card driver back to an earlier version.  However, that doesn’t make any difference for the vast majority of users who are experiencing problems getting their “legacy” video cards to run with CUDA enabled.

Adobe now consider these to be “legacy” video cards and you should not look for Adobe to provide support for these video cards.

If you have one of these video cards, Adobe is now telling people they need to upgrade the video card or to roll back to version CC 2015.2 of Premiere.

The cards that are being reported as working fine with Adobe Premiere CC 2015.3 are:

GTX-700 series and mobile versions
GTX-900 series and mobile versions
GTX-1000 series and mobile versions (GTX-1080, GTX-1070, etc.)
Quadro M series and mobile versions
Quadro K series and mobile versions

MAC Users:
Some people are reporting problems using CUDA with a legacy video card. Right now, the fix is to remove CUDA and run the video with OpenCL. While it may be slower, it is not as slow as running with no GPU acceleration at all.

David Knarr
https://www.studio1productions.com

Adobe Premiere and the GTX-1080 Video Card

This past weekend (June 11 and 12, 2016) I had a chance to test out the new GTX-1080 video card from MSI with Adobe Premiere CC 2015.

I have been reading rave reviews from the gamer communities about this video card and how much of a performance increase people were see with this card. So, I decided to test it out with Adobe Premiere CC 2015.

(Later this summer I will be doing new benchmark testing and updating our Adobe Premiere Benchmark article found here: https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Premiere-Benchmark.htm)

The computer I used was a Intel I7-5930K with 16 GB of memory and 3 Western Digital 1 TB Black hard drives.

I ran a couple of quick tests against the GTX-980 and a Titan X video card. I used both a benchmark project and a real world project.  I also did a few tests with a 4K project.

The difference between the benchmark project and a real world project is, the benchmark project is made up of almost all GPU effects/transitions. This is designed to push the GPU for benchmarking purposes and it may not represent a typical timeline for most people.

The real world project, the timeline contains simple cuts and a lot fewer GPU effects/transitions. In this case the CPU is doing most of the work. This might be more of a realistic time line for some people.

Here are the results for rendering the timeline using the Benchmark Project:
GTX-980 took 20 seconds
Titan X took 14 seconds
GTX-1080 took 14 seconds

As you can see above, the GPU is doing most of the work due to timeline being made up of GPU effects/transitions.

Here are the results for rending the timeline using a real world project:
GTX-980 took 127 seconds
Titan X took 127 seconds
GTX-1080 took 127 seconds

With above, since the timeline wasn’t loaded with GPU effects/transitions, the CPU was doing most of the work.

Why are the results the same for all three video card with the real world project? It’s simple, there wasn’t enough GPU effects/transitions on this timeline to get any improvement between the three video cards. The GPU usage never went over 50% with any of these video cards.

Next I ran a text using a 4K project, here are the results:
GTX-980 took 62 seconds
Titan X took 55 seconds
GTX-1080 took 51 seconds

If you are editing with Adobe Premiere and you are already using a high end video card, then you may not need to upgrade to the GTX-1080 as the increase in performance isn’t that much.

Since not all timelines are going to be made up of the same GPU effects/transitions, the results you get are going to vary. For example, if you have a 15 minute timeline and it is all cuts only and you are not using any GPU effects, then the video card will not be used when rendering the timeline.

However, take that same timeline and instead of using all straight cuts, you use a dissolve, the GPU will come into play as the dissolve is a GPU transition.

NOTE: Currently there is bug in the nVidia drivers version 368.25, which is for the GTX-1080 and GTX-1070, where you can’t preview R3D media. All you get is a black video. Hopefully, nVidia will get this fixed soon.

NOTE: Your results will vary depending on your computer and how many GPU effects/transitions you have on your timeline.

Bottom line, I would say the GTX-1080 is 5% faster than the Titan X at a much lower cost than the Titan X. I was hoping for a better performance results like the gamers are seeing, but running it in Adobe Premiere it is just not there for me.

Install Twitch for use in Adobe Premiere plus Twitch Presets

If you are not familiar with you can check it out here and see a demo of what it can do.

The Twitch plug-in from Video Copilot allow you to create distortion, chaos, jumping video frames, jittering and more. While Twitch is designed for Adobe After Effects, there is a way to use it in the following versions of Adobe Premiere:

Adobe Premiere CC 2015
Adobe Premiere CC 2014
Adobe Premiere CC
Adobe Premiere CS6
Adobe Premiere CS5.5
Adobe Premiere CS5

When you buy Twitch from Video Copilot, it also comes with presets to use in After Effects. Since these presets only work in After Effects, we recreated all of the preset in Premiere and they are available for free, along with the instructions on how to install Twitch into the above listed versions of Adobe Premiere.

So how do you get the Installation Instructions and the Premiere Presets, well everything is in this article on our web site.

NOTE:  Video Copilot does not support Twitch in Adobe Premiere.  They only provide support for it for After Effects.  Not sure why, but I guess it is because they originally wrote it for After Effects.  However, it does work in Premiere.  I know because I use it in Adobe Premiere.

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Posted by David Knarr, Studio 1 Productions, Inc.

CUDA.BAT program updated for GTX 970 and GTX 980

The blog has been quiet for the last couple of months, the reason is we have moved to a new location.  While we did out best to plan everything out for the move, nothing went according to the plans.   lol.

Anyhow, I just got time to update the cuda.bat program for Premiere, After Effects, Adobe Media Encoder and Prelude, but adding several new video cards including the GTX 970 and GTX 980.

To get the latest version of the program, it is on page 2 of our article titled Video Cards for Adobe Premiere CC 2014, CC, CS6, CS5.5 and CS5.

I will be getting in a GTX 970 to do some testing with, so I will be updating the article around mid-November 2014.

Adobe Premiere CC 2014 and After Effects CC 2014

Adobe has release an update to their Creative Cloud suite of software packages. Programs such as Adobe Premiere CC will now be called Adobe Premiere CC 2014.

All of the new CC versions of programs will now end with 2014 to mark the difference version.

I have updated the CUDA.BAT program to all you to use any of the Nvidia video cards with the new CC 2014 versions of the following programs:

Adobe Premiere CC 2014
Adobe After Effects CC 2014
Adobe SpeedGrade CC 2014
Adobe Media Encoder CC 2014
Adobe Prelude CC 2014

You can download the new 6.1.0 CUDA.BAT program at either of these locations:

https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/AfterEffects.htm

Should you update to this new version?

From what I am reading on the Adobe forums, I would hold off. Premiere and some of the other programs appear to be some what buggy. What worked fine before with the older CC version, may not work in the CC 2014 version.

I would what until they release a bug fix for the CC 2014 version of programs.

If you decide to upgrade now, it will NOT bother the old CC version that you have already installed. So you will have both versions to work with. This way if you find something now working correctly, you can fall back to the older CC version.

How Much Video RAM Should My Video Card Have for Adobe Premiere?

This article is for those of you who are running Adobe Premiere CC, CS6, CS5.5 and CS5, as these versions of Adobe Premiere have the Mercury Playback Engine which makes use of the RAM on the video card differently than earlier versions of Adobe Premiere.

When you are running the Mercury Playback Engine in GPU mode and the Mercury Playback Engine runs out of memory on the video card, the Mercury Playback Engine will switch from GPU mode to Software mode and stay that way for the rest of the rendering process.  Thus, slowing down the rendering process considerably.

The two main things that will cause Premiere’s Mercury Playback Engine to run out of ram on the video card is:

1. The complexity of your time-line, such as the number of tracks, multiple effects being used at the same time and the type GPU effects that you are using.

2. If you are using large pixel size photos or photos with a high dpi on you timeline.

While not everyone will run into this problem, due to their workflow and editing style, some of you may or already have run into the situation where Premiere’s MPE switches into the software mode and slow down the rendering process.

So how much ram should your video card have for Adobe Premiere?

Here is a chart with a basic guideline for the amount of video ram you have on your video card.

SD Footage – 1 GB is fine
HD Footage – 1 GB is min. – while 2 GB is better
2K Footage – 3 GB is min. – while 4 GB is better
4K Footage – 4 GB is min. – while more than 4GB is better
5K Footage – 6 GB or more is better

Remember, this is just a guideline.  Having more ram on the video card than what is listed above is a good thing.

Now I know some of you are probably thinking, “I only have 1 GB of ram on my video card and I never had any problems working with or rendering HD footage with Adobe Premiere.”  Well, neither have I.  But, that is due to the fact that I an not using a very complex timeline.

I have had several people contact me about Adobe Premiere shutting of the GPU mid-render and switching into software mode and the rendering slowing down dramatically.  After talking with them and seeing the complexity of their timeline, it was easy to see why they were running out of video ram on the video card.

Once they upgraded to a video card that offered more ram, their problems went away.

So don’t forget about how much ram the video card has when you are purchasing a new video card for use with Adobe Premiere.

NOTE:  These recommendations are for Adobe Premiere CC, CS6, CS5.5 and CS5 only.  I am not into running games on my computers, so I have no idea how much ram your video card would need for the different games.

For more information on Video Cards for Adobe Premiere CC, CS6, CS5.5 and CS5 we have a more detailed article on Premiere, CUDA and Nvidia Video Cards.

Updates to the CUDA.BAT program

I just updated the CUDA.BAT program to include the new mobile (laptop) GPU’s from NVidia.  They are the GTX 850M, GTX 860M, GTX 870M and the GTX 880M.

Also, the CUDA.BAT program will also enable Adobe Media Encoder CC (AME), along with Premiere and After Effects to use the GPU.

It will also all you to enable the GPU to be used with the Mercury Transmit in SpeedGrade CC.

The CUDA.BAT program can be found in these two articles:
https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm
and
https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/AfterEffects.htm

Testing the GTX 750 Ti with Adobe Premiere

I have been testing the GTX 750 Ti video card with Adobe Premiere CC these last few weeks and this is how it compares to the GTX 650 Ti

1. Power Supply – The GTX 750 Ti only needs a 300 watt power supply, where the GTX 650 Ti needs a 400  watt power supply.  So if you have an off the shelf computer such as HP or Dell, and the computer has a smaller power supply, which they usually do, you will be able to use this video card in those systems.  Just make sure they have at least a 300 watt power supply.

2. Performance – The GTX 750 Ti and the GTX 650 Ti (not the boost version) performed almost identical.

Rendering the Premiere Timeline with our test files, the GTX 750 Ti took an average of 7.5 seconds and the GTX 650 Ti  took and average of 8 seconds.  Both tests I had the Premiere using the GPU.

Exporting to MPEG-2, the GTX 750 Ti took an average of 153 seconds and the GTX 650 Ti took an average of 156 seconds.  Again, in these tests I had Premiere set to use the GPU.

As you can see there is not much of a difference between the two card performance wise.  The big thing with the GTX 750 Ti, is it allows users that have a small power supply improve their editing performance without having to upgrade the power supply.

Bottom Line – If you have a GTX 650 Ti, there is really no reason to upgrade the video card to a GTX 750 Ti.  If you are running an older video card, such as a GT 240, GT 440 or a GT 640, and you want better performance, then by all means upgrade to the GTX 750 Ti.

What about the GTX 750?  Well there is only $20 difference between the GTX 750 and the GTX 750 Ti, so I only tested the GTX 750 Ti since it had more CUDA cores and the other specs were similar.  Send the extra $20 and go for the GTX 750 Ti over the GTX 750.

 

Latest Update for Adobe Premiere CS6

Adobe has released up date CS6.0.5 for Adobe Premiere. Please note: Once you install this update you will need to run the cuda.bat file again, as this update over writes the cuda card file.

The cuda.bat file is located on the second page of our article on Video Cards for Adobe Premiere CS5, CS5.5, CS6 and CC.  Here is the link:

https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm